Lynn,
Thank you for your enlightining contrubution. If the information you provided backed up by statistics. I have nothing to say more... May be there is no direct link between keratoconus and chronic mercury poisoning but there are a lot of people who claims their symptoms have been much better after they got their amalgam fillings removed (including improved vision). May be I overreacted but if I knew what I know now, I would never have had those fillings in the first place. I would never let any dentist to put amalgam in my child's mouth. People used DDT with good intentions but now it is forbidden. Science makes a lot of mistakes and learns slowly. I just wanted to share what I have found. I wish I am/were right. This way we can save future although we have lost things to the past. I have never got any medical education beyond red cross's first aid course. But I think governments are very slow at reacting some issues. Since keratoconus is not a deadly disease and not so many people affected by it, I dont believe it is researched throughly. No matter what I will get my amalgams removed. My right eye have not developed keratoconus yet. Tomorrow I will have it checked if there is any sign I will eventually get it crosslinked in Prof. Kohlhaas's clinic.
As a parent what makes me regret is knowing there were safer options and not having them because its bad effects has not been clear to me.
Thank you for your understanding and caring language.
Amalgam fillings and keratoconus
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Lynn White
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Fth...
The problem with a lot of the sites giving anecdotal stories of amalgam "before and afters" is they do not actually include blood levels of mercury before and after. Many of the scientific studies that have been done over the last 100 years referred to by the dental association have actually done that.
Epidemiological research into KC most often throws up genetic links see here
Again - it is entirely possible that very low levels of mercury MAY act as a triggering factor to certain sensitive individuals but again, any such trends would have by now become evident in populations exposed to more mercury than found in amalgams. For example, there was many years ago a whole Japanese population exposed to very high levels pf mercury in the fish they caught that had been contaminated by toxic waste. Although this group displayed many neurological effects, KC was not found.
Yes there are reports of improved vision after amalgam has been removed but again, this does not mean at all that the blurred vision was due to KC!
And yes... it would be good if amalgam was a major causde and we could get rid of KC by simply removing it - but alas life is never that simple!
The problem with a lot of the sites giving anecdotal stories of amalgam "before and afters" is they do not actually include blood levels of mercury before and after. Many of the scientific studies that have been done over the last 100 years referred to by the dental association have actually done that.
Epidemiological research into KC most often throws up genetic links see here
Again - it is entirely possible that very low levels of mercury MAY act as a triggering factor to certain sensitive individuals but again, any such trends would have by now become evident in populations exposed to more mercury than found in amalgams. For example, there was many years ago a whole Japanese population exposed to very high levels pf mercury in the fish they caught that had been contaminated by toxic waste. Although this group displayed many neurological effects, KC was not found.
Yes there are reports of improved vision after amalgam has been removed but again, this does not mean at all that the blurred vision was due to KC!
And yes... it would be good if amalgam was a major causde and we could get rid of KC by simply removing it - but alas life is never that simple!
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Hehe just wanting to add here ...
I was diagnosed at 14 but didn't have any fillings until i was in my 20's! I could ask my mother about fillings during pregnancy if she was alive but i don't honestly think that it would change anything here.
The problem with KC is that it is really hard to get results with research as things can just happen with our eyesight that would have changed anyway regardless of the lifestyle we choose.
There are many scientists following the genetic and environmental causes which could lead to KC. Hopefully they will find something to help generations to come as well as those who are working on new treatments for those already diagnosed.
I was diagnosed at 14 but didn't have any fillings until i was in my 20's! I could ask my mother about fillings during pregnancy if she was alive but i don't honestly think that it would change anything here.
The problem with KC is that it is really hard to get results with research as things can just happen with our eyesight that would have changed anyway regardless of the lifestyle we choose.
There are many scientists following the genetic and environmental causes which could lead to KC. Hopefully they will find something to help generations to come as well as those who are working on new treatments for those already diagnosed.
Sweet X x X
I got 2 out of 8 amalgams removed, used some vitamins and supplements. After all I had another exam. Which shows an improvement on my keratoconus eyesight from 0.7 to 1.0++ on the other eye the situation and improvement is also noted from 1.0 to 1.5. I can not say if it is from amalgam removal or the supplements I have been using for 6 months. I am very happy. Because I passed the Physical requirements to be an airline pilot. My vision was corrected with eyeglasses only.
Mercury toxification and its effect on the eyesight is not something I discovered. It turns out there are a lot of case in the subject which experienced better eyesight after amalgam removal.
The case in japan was an acute mercury poisoning not a chronic one. It would not be logical to expect same results from either case.
There would not be any scientific proof if you don't make any research on the subject. And close your eyes who has done it. Dr. Klinghardt, Dr Huggins are some who have done it, and revealed results. I am one of the case. I had no problem with my eyes until I let them to put these fillings in my mouth. This happened after I was 27. Within 6 months my eyesight started to go wrong.
Anyways I recommend the book called "It is all in your head" by Huggins. It also mentions mercury effects on eye which I read yesterday.
Yes I accuse scientists of not to resist destructive modern living lifestyle backed by governments. I believe this is the summary. Because there are alot of ways you can get mercury or other poisinous and degeneretive particles in your body which may result in uncurable and unpredictable diseases.
More later
Mercury toxification and its effect on the eyesight is not something I discovered. It turns out there are a lot of case in the subject which experienced better eyesight after amalgam removal.
The case in japan was an acute mercury poisoning not a chronic one. It would not be logical to expect same results from either case.
There would not be any scientific proof if you don't make any research on the subject. And close your eyes who has done it. Dr. Klinghardt, Dr Huggins are some who have done it, and revealed results. I am one of the case. I had no problem with my eyes until I let them to put these fillings in my mouth. This happened after I was 27. Within 6 months my eyesight started to go wrong.
Anyways I recommend the book called "It is all in your head" by Huggins. It also mentions mercury effects on eye which I read yesterday.
Yes I accuse scientists of not to resist destructive modern living lifestyle backed by governments. I believe this is the summary. Because there are alot of ways you can get mercury or other poisinous and degeneretive particles in your body which may result in uncurable and unpredictable diseases.
More later
Hi Fth,
Here is some "chat" from me. A friend of mine (he does not have KC, though does need glasses) says he has 14 filling
I said to him have you got 14 teeth that can be filled?!
He is in very "bad shape" and wants to take them out and doing research on it.
The story goes... that they had Dentists that would come in to schools (in the 80's) to do a check up's (not sure if that happens now or if it was just his school that did it at that time, certainly I don't remember a Denstist's check in School). Anyway, the Dentist that saw him said that he has "strange" teeth and they all need filling!! I said to him it sounds like some "creative work" was done just as easy as taking a "lolly from a kid" ... he is very bitter due to that experiance... to say the least...
Anyway going on to KC... has your corneas flattened at all since taking out your mercury fillings? Can you post some Topo's for us please?
And just for the record I don't have no fillings, nor my mother. Those Dr's you mention, are they taking about all this in relation to KC or just in Vision in general?
Have you spoken to Dr Lombardi at all, because he has a theory on this (i think he was the first to put out this message to KCers). Plus he believes that these "irritants" are different for different people. For some its other trace elements from heavy metals. He does blood tests of KC patients and JUST ONE PART of this is that a heavy metal like lead (or another heavy metal) and static can cause the cone to push out-wards, with internal eye pressure helping. But please remember this is all just "chat".
Going off the topic about all this for a bit. There is the parasite element in his theory as well. Which is his simple way of translating from Italian that an "organism", or to put it another way, that enzyme activity was high in KC Corneas. Which has been observed and documented in the literature for some time now (not by him by the way). He believes an infection could trigger all this, plus allergens. From what I have seen Dr Lombardi is checking in to the simple things by getting patients to fill out a long questionnaire at his clinic, from which he believes that KC occurs for different reasons to different people.
He does not support the genes research, as according to him different researchers found different genes, and because you can get KC from 7 years to 70 years of age (or along those lines).
He also says that collagen is found through out the body, so its not a problem with collagen (which we know anyway from the literature) Its just the ones in KC cornea's "drift", there is no decrease in collagen.
Sorry for the "mish mash" post, I'm glad your here to tell your story and that your doing well. Its always nice to hear from a KCer!!
Here is some "chat" from me. A friend of mine (he does not have KC, though does need glasses) says he has 14 filling
I said to him have you got 14 teeth that can be filled?!
He is in very "bad shape" and wants to take them out and doing research on it.
The story goes... that they had Dentists that would come in to schools (in the 80's) to do a check up's (not sure if that happens now or if it was just his school that did it at that time, certainly I don't remember a Denstist's check in School). Anyway, the Dentist that saw him said that he has "strange" teeth and they all need filling!! I said to him it sounds like some "creative work" was done just as easy as taking a "lolly from a kid" ... he is very bitter due to that experiance... to say the least...
Anyway going on to KC... has your corneas flattened at all since taking out your mercury fillings? Can you post some Topo's for us please?
And just for the record I don't have no fillings, nor my mother. Those Dr's you mention, are they taking about all this in relation to KC or just in Vision in general?
Have you spoken to Dr Lombardi at all, because he has a theory on this (i think he was the first to put out this message to KCers). Plus he believes that these "irritants" are different for different people. For some its other trace elements from heavy metals. He does blood tests of KC patients and JUST ONE PART of this is that a heavy metal like lead (or another heavy metal) and static can cause the cone to push out-wards, with internal eye pressure helping. But please remember this is all just "chat".
Going off the topic about all this for a bit. There is the parasite element in his theory as well. Which is his simple way of translating from Italian that an "organism", or to put it another way, that enzyme activity was high in KC Corneas. Which has been observed and documented in the literature for some time now (not by him by the way). He believes an infection could trigger all this, plus allergens. From what I have seen Dr Lombardi is checking in to the simple things by getting patients to fill out a long questionnaire at his clinic, from which he believes that KC occurs for different reasons to different people.
He does not support the genes research, as according to him different researchers found different genes, and because you can get KC from 7 years to 70 years of age (or along those lines).
He also says that collagen is found through out the body, so its not a problem with collagen (which we know anyway from the literature) Its just the ones in KC cornea's "drift", there is no decrease in collagen.
Sorry for the "mish mash" post, I'm glad your here to tell your story and that your doing well. Its always nice to hear from a KCer!!
Hi Sajeev,
I am very sorry for your friend. Because the thing he is going through is not easy and I can understand.
Amalgam removal is a serious thing and should be done by a holistic dentist (who follows a protochol) I hope your friend can find one. I remember one dentist from London. If he needs help, just PM me.
This was what I wanted to see very eagerly but at the time their topo device was out of order
. But according to aviation regulations my eyes have to be examined semiannualy. This gives us more clear picture of amalgam removal and nutrituonal effect on the keratoconus. But during the nigh I noticed the halos around lights to be a little bit thinner. I also can read books with my left eye more clearly without eyeglasses which was not possible before. And I dont feel this weird pressure in my eyes which results a disturbing situation and one can relax a little bit only if he closes his eyes. I have two topos for last year. If I visit Prof. Kohlhaas I will get another. Than we can compare. But if we keep in touch I will share next years topos with you.
Amalgam filling is not the only mercury toxification source. Do you live or stay in a mercury toxic area (were there a dentist clinic around your home?) Do you eat seafood regularly?...
Dr Huggins claims miyop and atigmatism is linked to amalgam (mercury toxification). He asks how many of you needed your vision to be corrected within 6 months of getting your teeth filled with amalgam? Personally I did and I know at least 3 person who did get an eyeglasses or replaced with bigger number a couple months after dentist work.
No I have never spoken with him. But one year ago I saw a message from one of his patients in a forum but I regarded it as an exaggeration back then. During my research I tried to find it again but I failed.
There are some scientific suggestions; the effects of mercury on eyes is certain but needs to be further researched. But I personnaly relate everything together: mercury has some adverse effects on endocrine system. This changes enzymes, hormones and everthing in our body is related those. Some people get asthma some get MS some get allergy...
I personnally think different because one can not realize "that easily" if there is "a little" problem in collagen structure other than cornea. Cornea may be the most vulnarable collagen in body as well??? How fast Other collagen parts of the body renew itself compared to cornea? As you have already said this is just "chat".
I am very happy that somebody took it seriously, I thank you for that. I apologize for the late answer.
I will have my other fillings removed soon. I am planning to use chlorella and spriluna as dietary supplement some call them superfood which includes almost every known vitamins and minerals in perfect amount.
http://www.chlorellafactor.com/
I hope in a year or so there will be more improvement in my healt.
I am planning to post all related comments and studies on eye and mercury toxification issues here or somewhere else in the future.
Note: There are alternative mercuryfree lens solutions and should be preferred by KCers.
I am very sorry for your friend. Because the thing he is going through is not easy and I can understand.
Amalgam removal is a serious thing and should be done by a holistic dentist (who follows a protochol) I hope your friend can find one. I remember one dentist from London. If he needs help, just PM me.
Anyway going on to KC... has your corneas flattened at all since taking out your mercury fillings? Can you post some Topo's for us please?
This was what I wanted to see very eagerly but at the time their topo device was out of order
. But according to aviation regulations my eyes have to be examined semiannualy. This gives us more clear picture of amalgam removal and nutrituonal effect on the keratoconus. But during the nigh I noticed the halos around lights to be a little bit thinner. I also can read books with my left eye more clearly without eyeglasses which was not possible before. And I dont feel this weird pressure in my eyes which results a disturbing situation and one can relax a little bit only if he closes his eyes. I have two topos for last year. If I visit Prof. Kohlhaas I will get another. Than we can compare. But if we keep in touch I will share next years topos with you.And just for the record I don't have no fillings, nor my mother. Those Dr's you mention, are they taking about all this in relation to KC or just in Vision in general?
Amalgam filling is not the only mercury toxification source. Do you live or stay in a mercury toxic area (were there a dentist clinic around your home?) Do you eat seafood regularly?...
Dr Huggins claims miyop and atigmatism is linked to amalgam (mercury toxification). He asks how many of you needed your vision to be corrected within 6 months of getting your teeth filled with amalgam? Personally I did and I know at least 3 person who did get an eyeglasses or replaced with bigger number a couple months after dentist work.
Have you spoken to Dr Lombardi at all, because he has a theory on this (i think he was the first to put out this message to KCers).
No I have never spoken with him. But one year ago I saw a message from one of his patients in a forum but I regarded it as an exaggeration back then. During my research I tried to find it again but I failed.
There are some scientific suggestions; the effects of mercury on eyes is certain but needs to be further researched. But I personnaly relate everything together: mercury has some adverse effects on endocrine system. This changes enzymes, hormones and everthing in our body is related those. Some people get asthma some get MS some get allergy...
He also says that collagen is found through out the body, so its not a problem with collagen (which we know anyway from the literature) Its just the ones in KC cornea's "drift", there is no decrease in collagen.
I personnally think different because one can not realize "that easily" if there is "a little" problem in collagen structure other than cornea. Cornea may be the most vulnarable collagen in body as well??? How fast Other collagen parts of the body renew itself compared to cornea? As you have already said this is just "chat".
Sorry for the "mish mash" post, I'm glad your here to tell your story and that your doing well. Its always nice to hear from a KCer!!
I am very happy that somebody took it seriously, I thank you for that. I apologize for the late answer.
I will have my other fillings removed soon. I am planning to use chlorella and spriluna as dietary supplement some call them superfood which includes almost every known vitamins and minerals in perfect amount.
http://www.chlorellafactor.com/
I hope in a year or so there will be more improvement in my healt.
I am planning to post all related comments and studies on eye and mercury toxification issues here or somewhere else in the future.
Note: There are alternative mercuryfree lens solutions and should be preferred by KCers.
Hi Fth... its really good to hear from you.
My friend... I keep telling him to DO SOMTHING about his situation... but when I see him again after some time... its the same old story and he is looking more and more like "Shaggy" from "Scooby doo"!!
I did tell him about the great research you have done and even pulled up your posts on his computer for him, but he just looked as if he was too tired to even take a peek.
I did tell him that the filling's need to be taken out properly, otherwise it can cause more harm then good. For some reason he is thinking of going to Sweden as he says they are really good at this kind of thing (not sure where he got that from)
I have a real good friend in Germany who also did get health/eye sight benefits from taking out his Mercery filling and had a positive experience.
The cause of KC... I just don't know any which way about it, there are so many angles and pointers. There does need to be a variety of areas look in to all in one go. To catch when KC first start's, (or the trigger/s come together) for someone is hard to pin down to a time frame so that it can be studied. Anyone who could piece it together, would need to be good at a lot of things and know in detail about genetics, biology, chemistry, physic's, nutrition, environmental factors, cellular level changes etc etc and all the technology that comes with that!
Good to hear that your winning, and also all the other successes from posters we have had here... and you can bet your bottom dollar that others seeking success will get it to... so take heart guy's... a forum is a safetly net to catch you if you fall... and also a launch pad to propel you back to your old self.
Stay in touch Fth... glad your on top of it all (unlike my long poor suffering friend who really needs to join up here... even though he does not have KC, now thats saying something!)
CU
My friend... I keep telling him to DO SOMTHING about his situation... but when I see him again after some time... its the same old story and he is looking more and more like "Shaggy" from "Scooby doo"!!
I did tell him about the great research you have done and even pulled up your posts on his computer for him, but he just looked as if he was too tired to even take a peek.
I did tell him that the filling's need to be taken out properly, otherwise it can cause more harm then good. For some reason he is thinking of going to Sweden as he says they are really good at this kind of thing (not sure where he got that from)
I have a real good friend in Germany who also did get health/eye sight benefits from taking out his Mercery filling and had a positive experience.
The cause of KC... I just don't know any which way about it, there are so many angles and pointers. There does need to be a variety of areas look in to all in one go. To catch when KC first start's, (or the trigger/s come together) for someone is hard to pin down to a time frame so that it can be studied. Anyone who could piece it together, would need to be good at a lot of things and know in detail about genetics, biology, chemistry, physic's, nutrition, environmental factors, cellular level changes etc etc and all the technology that comes with that!
Good to hear that your winning, and also all the other successes from posters we have had here... and you can bet your bottom dollar that others seeking success will get it to... so take heart guy's... a forum is a safetly net to catch you if you fall... and also a launch pad to propel you back to your old self.
Stay in touch Fth... glad your on top of it all (unlike my long poor suffering friend who really needs to join up here... even though he does not have KC, now thats saying something!)
CU
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