Amalgam fillings and keratoconus

[Fth]

Hello all,
Please read the text below:

THERE ARE 5 BASIC AREAS WHERE AMALGAM REMOVAL HAS BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH IMPROVEMENTS IN HEALTH....
1. NEUROLOGICAL.... a) Emotional (especially depression, irritability, suicidal tendancies, inability to cope). b) Motor (such as multiple sclerosis, seizures, facial twitches, muscle spasms).


2. CARDIOVASCULAR (Endocarditis, heart valves, or lungs).


3. COLLAGEN DISEASES (Problems with the cementing sub- stances of the cells such as scleroderma, arthritis, lupus, bursitis).


4. IMMUNOLOGICAL....Interference...[caused by mercury] gives you more suseptibility to catch whatever diseases are 'going around'.


5. ALLERGIES (Foods, airborn, universal reactors. Mercury in combination with what you are 'allergic to' will rupture white blood cells and can precipitate...an allergic reaction....

Fillings have two types of electrical current in them, electro- positive and electro-negative. ...When positively charged fillings are removed while leaving negative ones behind, the patient often feels worse.... [And], their chances for improvement drop[s] drastically. If negatively charged fillings are removed first, there is not much 'withdrawl' feeling and chances for success ...approach the 80% mark.

With scientific technology now on the cutting edge, research on Bioelectricity and its effects on the body is just now being... [observed].

Four states have passed legislation that either ban[s] the use of mercury altogether or...[requires]...dentist[s]...provide the patient with information regarding the possible side effects.... Interesting!!

and please note the part with Collagen and Allergy.

I had keratoconus after 30 years old: which is not common. My number one suspect is this amalgam. One year before I started to have keratoconus symptoms, 8 amalgam fillings were placed in my mouth.

Please contribute with your experience; did you or your mother (Before or during the time when she was pragnant with you and/or breastfed you) have any amalgam fillings before you developed this disease?

Thanks

[Andrew MacLean]

I was just thinking: at one time I worked as a lighthouse keeper (several stations around Scotland, but the most spectacular was Skerryvore).

The lens in a lighthouse floats in a bath of Mercury, so during the night watch I'd have been breathing mercury vapour.

Could this be linked to my keratoconus?

Andrew

[Sarah M]

i dont have any fillings

if my mum did have this type of fillings when she was pregnant.... wouldnt my sister be affected too?

[GarethB]

Sarah,

If the link is that close then yes.

My Mum only had two fillings when she was pregnant with me and my brother. I have KC and he does not.

After KC was diagnosed and I was on the list for a graft I had a couple of amalgam fillings and my grafts were a real success, I got to the point of not needing to wear glasses or contact lenses. 15 years post graft and I grdaually had the amalgam replaced with white ones. Five years on, the first has had to be replaced and as posted on another thread I opted for amalgam. This was done mid last year, 18 moths after KC returned.

So from my personal experience I can say my KC is more likely a result of not having fillings, but that is JUST my expereince.

[Andrew MacLean]

During the war, my mother had all her teeth removed in preparation for a nursing assignment to India. Seems barbaric to me, but there you go.

Anywat as a result she had no amalgam fillings at the time when she was carrying any of us (I have an older brother and two younger sisters). I am the only member of the family with KC.

Andrew

[Fth]

i dont have any fillings

if my mum did have this type of fillings when she was pregnant.... wouldnt my sister be affected too?

When somebody have amalgam fillings she or he is exposed to much more Mercury vapor at the begginning and if they are replaced without proper precautions and devices. Right now it is somewhat sewerely restricted to put an amalgam filling to a pragnant or nursing person. Vaccines are another source of mercury burden.

This poison is the cause of too many incurable disease. You may want to visit those sites:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dental-te ... s/messages
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/dentalcleanse/

second one has an interesting welcome note:

dentalcleanse · DENTAL CLEANSE - removing one of the main causes of "incurable diseases" and curing "incurable" diseases.

So, my answer is: It depends on the cirscumtances. If your mother had the fillings during or just before she were pregnant with you or any of the filling was broken and more mercury were absorbed by her body during pragnancy. This might be the promoting factor of your keratoconus. The older the amalgams get in the mouth, their vapor is decreased. Although when you brush your teeth or chew gum the amount increases by around 100 times. There are a lot of things to be considered. Another thing is citrus food or sparkling water which increases mercury consumption. I believe link is close enough but it is not easy to point out.

Mercury is generally stored in brain and neurologig sysytem and it is very hard to move them. It has very long (15 to 25 years) half life in our body.

Some drops and solutions for lenses contain mercury as well. Then, when they say using hard contact lens might be a reson for keratoconus it reminds me this mercury in cleaning solution not the lens immediately.

There are a lot to discuss in this subject. If more people with keratoconus participate in this kind of discussion and research the subject then there is an oppurtunity to find out if it is the or one of the cause or not. This symptom oriented and politically controlled medical system is way too slow on the subject.

Sincerely

[Fth]

During the war, my mother had all her teeth removed in preparation for a nursing assignment to India. Seems barbaric to me, but there you go.

Anywat as a result she had no amalgam fillings at the time when she was carrying any of us (I have an older brother and two younger sisters). I am the only member of the family with KC.

Andrew

Posted: Sat 17 Mar, 2007 16:20 Post subject:

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I was just thinking: at one time I worked as a lighthouse keeper (several stations around Scotland, but the most spectacular was Skerryvore).

The lens in a lighthouse floats in a bath of Mercury, so during the night watch I'd have been breathing mercury vapour.

Could this be linked to my keratoconus?

When we count your lighthouse experience we can figure out why only you amongst your brother and sister had the keratoconus.

I know it is too early but another point here is, all three of us have a history with mercury.

[Anne B]

I have always said that my KC started after the birth of my first child, but about three months after having my first child i also had my first ever filling and it was a huge amalgam filling.
I have had fillings since but have had white ones.

I haven't read any of the details but i will do at some point.

Anne

[Lynn White]

To put this in perspective here is a link to the dental associations statement on almalgam.

While I am far from saying amalgam can be simply dismissed as a causative factor in KC, it is very easy to create "associations". What I will say here is that for various reasons, the UK population has a very high level of amalgam fillings compared to other countries and yet our KC rate is not the highest. KC also often occurs in clusters - which would not be the case if something as generally prevalent as amalgams are a major factor.

The interesting point here is that if amalgams WERE a major cause of KC, then KC should logically be quite prevalent in dentists as they work with the substance all the time - or even, in the past, with workers dealing with mercury in manufacturing, before safety standards were improved. However, this appears not to be the case.

Frustrating as it may seem, there is no easy answer as to why people get KC. It could very well be a combination of several factors. For example, there is a type of spastic paralysis in the Tropics that takes quite a number of factors for it to occur. The person has to contract first of all a certain retro virus, then consume "bush meat" from an animal that has eaten nuts from a particular species of palm tree and probably also consumed a good deal of cassava root - especially if it is in the form of flour which has undergone extraction and processing in a certain way.

This type of association took a good deal of ingenuity to discover.. but discovered it was - mainly from looking at the world wide distribution figures of the condition - which quickly pointed up links to certain types of fauna and flora only present in those locations.

I might also gently point out that although talking on these boards may well point up certain associations.. you do not have access to the hundreds and thousands of people that have also been exposed to the same conditions but do NOT develop KC.

With the greatest respect Fth, you could say all of us here on the boards drink water and water is treated with chlorine or other chemicals therefore there may be a link! Already you have had members here say that mercury from amalgam was NOT a factor in their KC. Also, the mercury in hard lens solutions can hardly cause KC if a person is wearing those lenses because they had GOT KC first???

I would just like to say please bear in mind that many people reading these boards may really worry they have harmed their children through having fillings if you insist on drawing unscientific conclusions!!

Lynn

[Andrew MacLean]

Thank you Lynne for a typically well balanced response. I am sure we are all grateful.

Just out of interest; I have done some further research into my own mercury exposure. Ican find no evidence of a higher than normal incidence of KC among lighthousekeepers. For all sorts of reasons, the lighthouse keeping population is one of the most studied sections of the general population and I'd have thought that a troublesome eye condition would have shown up early.

My own KC had already begun to manifest before I went to lighthouses.

Like Lynne, I am not decrying the possibility that mercury is implicated in the development of KC. In fact, I really think that this is an important possible co-factor, and that it ought to be pursued, even if only to find the hypothesis that it is implicated is eventually proved not to be the case.

It is clear from all the posts here, and the great weight of material on the interweb that KC is the result of the subtle interplay of a number of factors, not all of which will be present in every sufferer.

Andrew