Hi, this is a thread to discuss further the possibility of masterbating/sex being linked to KC. I'm sorry but I am not putting up with serious threads being locked for no reason by arrogant moderators, if you wish to tell me to shut up please dont reply to this thread.
I am convinced that masterbating has caused or worsened my KC and I am free to state that. Another person on here was TOLD that masterbating was the cause so there is no way you can arrogantly treat this as a joke. LINK
Masturbating/Sex and KC x2
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samba_elite
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The way i see it is that this forum is privately owned and membership is a privilidge,not a right and therefore if you post something that the mods/admin dont like then it's entirely up to them if they want to close/delete that topic,it's not a democracy and not a soapbox corner,if however you want to start a forum of your own where you decide ythe rules and policies then i'm sure a google search for "invision" or "proboards" will lead on the right path.
Call them arrogant all you like,it's their board for our use,a bit like a public house,you're free to enter at will but if they don't like you then you have no rights when they ask you to shut up or leave.
Just my opinion like,take or leave it.
Call them arrogant all you like,it's their board for our use,a bit like a public house,you're free to enter at will but if they don't like you then you have no rights when they ask you to shut up or leave.
Just my opinion like,take or leave it.
Lock up your daughters.....
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Completely agree with you! and couldnt have said it better!
However, as Gareth says, the poster may have approached his questions and concerns in a slightly erroneous manner to which I would suspect he has now been told.
We can only but help such posters in the first instance on the premise that there post is genuine; but when the wording and approach to such questions are somewhat questionable; we have the right to air views! Else life would be boring!..but this I think Gareth has corrected by alerting the poster.......even after the initial responses.
J
Completely agree with you! and couldnt have said it better!
However, as Gareth says, the poster may have approached his questions and concerns in a slightly erroneous manner to which I would suspect he has now been told.
We can only but help such posters in the first instance on the premise that there post is genuine; but when the wording and approach to such questions are somewhat questionable; we have the right to air views! Else life would be boring!..but this I think Gareth has corrected by alerting the poster.......even after the initial responses.
J
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I'd be interested to understand how this prejudice came about in the first place. There were the stories about supposed advice given to men as they made their way to the trenches during WW1, but I am not really sure how much weight to give to these tales; they may well be apocryphal.
There is, so far as I am aware, no research data linking sexual activity to the ccondition of the cornea. Indeed, it would be hard to tell a story that made sense of such a link.
What mechanism is at work in this supposed link?
All things considered I think that this is one co-factor that can be comfortably set aside.
There may be a link between sexual activity and the failure of a graft in the early stages, but this would be linked to increased IOP putting additional strain on sutures.
For my part I'd prefer it if people did not try to scare the living daylights out of adolescents by warning them of dire consequences of auto-sexual behaviour.
Andrew
There is, so far as I am aware, no research data linking sexual activity to the ccondition of the cornea. Indeed, it would be hard to tell a story that made sense of such a link.
What mechanism is at work in this supposed link?
All things considered I think that this is one co-factor that can be comfortably set aside.
There may be a link between sexual activity and the failure of a graft in the early stages, but this would be linked to increased IOP putting additional strain on sutures.
For my part I'd prefer it if people did not try to scare the living daylights out of adolescents by warning them of dire consequences of auto-sexual behaviour.
Andrew
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brigid downing
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I have absolutely no medical qualifications (except that I am a Dr 
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) to say this but I do think if there were any kind of connection at all then KC would be very common - not least amongst the rich and famous of the film and music industries! Not that I wish this on anyone but we might get more research funding if it were the case 
On a side step of famous people and KC - did Degas have it do you think?
Brigid
- of philosophy ) to say this but I do think if there were any kind of connection at all then KC would be very common - not least amongst the rich and famous of the film and music industries! Not that I wish this on anyone but we might get more research funding if it were the case
On a side step of famous people and KC - did Degas have it do you think?
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I have no doubt that even now potential PhD proposals are being tapped out on computers all around the world.
Seriously, there is a common mistake, often described as the "post hoc fallacy".
It goes like this: Someone might say, "In my early teens I started to masturbate". "after I started to masturbate I developed an eye condition of which I had not previously heard". "Therefore, my eye condition was caused by my masturbation".
The problem with this non sequator is that it plays into the common prejudices of a sex obsessed culture. The truth needs to be stated that it does not follow that because one thing arose after another, the second was caused by the first.
I am pretty sure that there are many people who live with the same anxiety as "Reality", a guilt that they may have caused or complicated their eye condition. This is why I regretted the decision to lock down earlier discussions.
What is your doctorate in?
Andrew
ps I am not sure about Degas, but did St Paul have KC?
I have no doubt that even now potential PhD proposals are being tapped out on computers all around the world.
Seriously, there is a common mistake, often described as the "post hoc fallacy".
It goes like this: Someone might say, "In my early teens I started to masturbate". "after I started to masturbate I developed an eye condition of which I had not previously heard". "Therefore, my eye condition was caused by my masturbation".
The problem with this non sequator is that it plays into the common prejudices of a sex obsessed culture. The truth needs to be stated that it does not follow that because one thing arose after another, the second was caused by the first.
I am pretty sure that there are many people who live with the same anxiety as "Reality", a guilt that they may have caused or complicated their eye condition. This is why I regretted the decision to lock down earlier discussions.
What is your doctorate in?
Andrew
ps I am not sure about Degas, but did St Paul have KC?
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Hi
My PhD is in promotingyoung children's conceptual understanding of the nature of scientific discourse.
My concern about how this discussion has been conducted so far is that if a person, new to the forums, were to read through parts of it they may come to the conclusion (however erroneous) that it was the subject matter which sparked an angry response. this may cause them to feel unable to express their own concerns or raise their own questions.
While I do not think the central idea has much merit - I consider it an old wives tale which has been allowed to persist as it has suited the whim of various authorities over time (state, church, boarding school teachers and parents) - this does not mean it cannot be discussed. There may be other theories which lack merit also which are discussed more easily.
personally I do think stress - including that induced by the hormonal cycle (girl stuff, sorry
) can make symptoms harder to cope with, even if not actually worse. If a person was stressing that something they were doing were the cause then they should be able to talk about it, because it may be the stress, rather than the action which was exaggerating the situation.
Brigid
My PhD is in promotingyoung children's conceptual understanding of the nature of scientific discourse.
My concern about how this discussion has been conducted so far is that if a person, new to the forums, were to read through parts of it they may come to the conclusion (however erroneous) that it was the subject matter which sparked an angry response. this may cause them to feel unable to express their own concerns or raise their own questions.
While I do not think the central idea has much merit - I consider it an old wives tale which has been allowed to persist as it has suited the whim of various authorities over time (state, church, boarding school teachers and parents) - this does not mean it cannot be discussed. There may be other theories which lack merit also which are discussed more easily.
personally I do think stress - including that induced by the hormonal cycle (girl stuff, sorry
) can make symptoms harder to cope with, even if not actually worse. If a person was stressing that something they were doing were the cause then they should be able to talk about it, because it may be the stress, rather than the action which was exaggerating the situation.
Brigid
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I do not disagree with anything you have written. I am afraid that the whole area of autosexuality in adolescents has been a battlefield with more than its share of casualties. The 'you'll go blind' response even to the discovery of evidence of spontaneous nocturnal emissions (a phenomenon over which boys have no control whatsoever) is evidence of embarassment in adults but adds to the burden carried by children and the young.
I do not plead guilty to your accusation that the church is among the authorities that have perpetuated the myth, but I readily concede that people with some authority in the church may have been happy to conceal their embarassment behind a casual but nonetheless harmful jibe.
I hope that the outcome of this will be that if members of the forum are anxious about the possibility that their solo or shared sexual experience may have caused or exasserbated their KC they will have the confidence to say so. This does not mean that any of the rest of us will feel that we should not state with all the vigour we can that this is just not the case. You can be really afraid without the thing of which you are afraid being real.
Andrew
ps I do not avoid the use of the word 'masturbation' because I find it embarassing, but because I think it is inadequate to describe a complex set of behaviours. Indeed the word is now so mired in perjorative connotations that it is probably of no use in a discussion like this.
I do not disagree with anything you have written. I am afraid that the whole area of autosexuality in adolescents has been a battlefield with more than its share of casualties. The 'you'll go blind' response even to the discovery of evidence of spontaneous nocturnal emissions (a phenomenon over which boys have no control whatsoever) is evidence of embarassment in adults but adds to the burden carried by children and the young.
I do not plead guilty to your accusation that the church is among the authorities that have perpetuated the myth, but I readily concede that people with some authority in the church may have been happy to conceal their embarassment behind a casual but nonetheless harmful jibe.
I hope that the outcome of this will be that if members of the forum are anxious about the possibility that their solo or shared sexual experience may have caused or exasserbated their KC they will have the confidence to say so. This does not mean that any of the rest of us will feel that we should not state with all the vigour we can that this is just not the case. You can be really afraid without the thing of which you are afraid being real.
Andrew
ps I do not avoid the use of the word 'masturbation' because I find it embarassing, but because I think it is inadequate to describe a complex set of behaviours. Indeed the word is now so mired in perjorative connotations that it is probably of no use in a discussion like this.
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