Issues and Concerns ...

[jayboi2005]

WOW what a discussion. I think it is great that we live in a world where we have the choice to give someone a cornea graft. I think it is amazing how medical science is ever changing. And i also know that the work the surgeons do is great.

However i also believe that if someone is asking for a graft, we have no right to tell them that they are WRONG, they are STUPID, they are a B*****D. Or they deserve a good kicking.

People cope with grief in all sorts of ways, this is a well known fact which im sure you all already know. They might get quite depressed from having KC. I sometimes feel stupid when im with friends and someone says look at that everyone looks and i haven’t got a clue what they are talking about. Or when im in church and everyone is singing from the books and i cant see the words. This person may not be able to wear contact lenses, they may be more scared of contact lenses than a graft. May sound silly, but who is scared of a tiny spider and not of an elephant. Same thing, we all see things as bigger issues than others. Yes a graft does have lots of risks, and it also has some very positive effects as well. I myself can put something for say that was made up of 40% success and 60% risk as an option. Maybe this person can just the same. The fact of the matter is you have to respect each person and each persons wishes!

[Andrew MacLean]

J-B

Nobody would disagree with your observation that we all handle situations differently.

The occasion for this string is not that anybody thinks that folk do not have the right, or even the obligation, to choose for themselves, but that sometimes choices are made on the basis of inadequate information.

When this happens the wrong choice can be made. It is not that the people are stupid or daft, but they were not given all the information that is available and so were not empowered to make an informed choice.

In the jargon of medical ethics they did not give informed consent.

Now the question always arises, from whom do we gain the information on which we give consent and make choices. The great thing about this forum is that we can all read the experiences of others and make our choices on the basis of this information, and on the basis of the information given by our surgeons, optometrists etc.

How we weight information coming from different sources is a matter for us.

All the best

Andrew

[jayboi2005]

Yes, you are right, but some of the comments throughout this thread are still uncalled for!

[Knight]

Yes, you are right, but some of the comments throughout this thread are still uncalled for!

I apologise that you maybe have taken offence but those comments I took lightly, like 'love taps' just to illustrate a point surely, that was the meaning, not abuse?

Andrew pretty much summed it up for me, which is also the core of the thread, information and just highlighting an issue that needs raised, especially if there are people regretting the operation - which made me question some reasons and logic behind it. Also, if we have the power to do something right, are we not also obligated in at least making that a factor to consider as a friend - sometimes you really just need to say it plain and simple - I think you're making a mistake - but regardless I'll support you through it. Which is what I have done, despite it being essentially none of my business, it is my business once I was asked for my opinion and course of action. Because, no matter how firm someone is over something, occasionally they just want talked out of it, or talked down from it; essentially, being obvious about it too, there is cause in stating 'there is reason not to do something' just as much as there is reason to do it!

That's the choice.

Just so everyone knows. The person I'm refering to, is from Canada. I've been in contact with them for around a year and I am aware of their circumstances and situation, so I haven't been shooting in the dark with some of my comments. I copied this thread and a few other threads which I emailed yesterday. It was read, and we talked about it, whatever decision is made at the end of the day, I'll still be there for them, at least this way I believe there is a more balanced perspective being achieved.

I will also pass on to all that took the time to reply and give their opinion, it has helpped a lot, regardless of opinion and stance, the points, issues and concerns have been much appreciated by me and also my friend and I hope somewhere, whoever else reads all this get something beneficial from it.

oh and by the way:

@ Jayuk slap slap slap

[Andrew MacLean]

To graft, or not to graft: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take eyes against a sea of troubles,
And by grafting end them?
To see: to wake;
To see again; and bythat sight to see we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To wake, to see;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of surgery what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this waking state,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would KC bear.

Apologies to Mr Shakespeare

[Knight]

OH ... I like that, here's mine!

Alas, poor KC cornea! I knew it, Doctor: a thing of infinite wonder, of most excellent fancy: it hath borne me on it's sight a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! my gorge rims at it. Here hung those lenses that I have used I know not how oft. Where be your gibes now? your gambols? your songs? your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the operating table on a roar? Not one now, to mock your own grinning? quite KC fallen?
Now get you to my eyeball, and tell it, let it paint a picture well, to this favour it must come; make me laugh at that.

[Andrew MacLean]

We could go on like this all day

How about 'Merchant of Venice"

Signor Chevallier, many a time and oft in the forum you have rated me about my corneas and my usances.

[Paul Osborne]

jayboi.

Please accept my apologies if I caused you offence by suggesting that someone has a kicking, offence was not intended to you or anyone else.

I was not serious and did indicate so at the time.

I will certainly conceed that I could and should have expressed my shock and horror at a fellow humans willingness to put themselves through a graft and related aftercare without being willing to try other forms of management first in a much better and eloquent manner.

However I was and remain very shocked that someone would consider a graft as a primary way to manage KC.

Perhaps I am more sensitive to this as I am near to the time of my graft and I have not had the oppurtunity to manage my own KC through other means and so expressed myself as I felt appropriate at the time, which with hindsight may well have been inappropriate.

Yours

Paul

[Andrew MacLean]

Paul, your count-down continues. I make it 6 days.

I am waiting for a date for my #2 graft. Or rather the first graft in my #2 eye

All the best

Andrew

[Paul Osborne]

Paul, your count-down continues. I make it 6 days.

I am waiting for a date for my #2 graft. Or rather the first graft in my #2 eye

All the best

Andrew

Its a good job you are a priest and not a mathematician!

9 Days.

But do let us know when you have a date for your second.

Paul