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Dry Eyes with Hard Lens
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- Sweet
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Jonathon
Hello there. I have been attending Moorfields for a year now, and at my last appointment complained of the same thing. I have been wearing an rgp lens for 13 years, and have recently had a graft in the other eye (privately). I did try scleral lenses before this but couldn't get the hang of them at all, and after the graft gave up with the other one, as the vision wasn't as good as my rgp lens.
On my last appoinment a few weeks ago i was asked what i wanted to do as my eye was always red and dry and so suggested piggy backing as i have read that a few people here have found it useful.
I have only tried it for a few weeks, with a soft monthly lens underneath and my rgp on top, and have to say that i do find it a lot more comfortable
My eye is not as red and it feels much better, so i would suggest asking them at your next check up if you can give it a go.
Vision wise i can read the same on the chart, but do find it a little blurry at times as i guess it would be as you are seeing through two lenses. Also it took a little while getting used to a soft lens having never tried one before, but it is really not so difficult putting them in. The slight blurring i sometimes get and having to clean two lenses at night is nothing in comparison to how much more comfortable it is and for the fact that my wearing time is almost doubled!
Some people here have daily ones, but i was told to try monthly as the dailies can sometimes be very drying. At the minute it works for me, but will ask when i next go back! Good luck with it and let us know how you get on!
Also, i use systane as well and find it very useful, and yes buying it online is much cheaper.
Sweet
Hello there. I have been attending Moorfields for a year now, and at my last appointment complained of the same thing. I have been wearing an rgp lens for 13 years, and have recently had a graft in the other eye (privately). I did try scleral lenses before this but couldn't get the hang of them at all, and after the graft gave up with the other one, as the vision wasn't as good as my rgp lens.
On my last appoinment a few weeks ago i was asked what i wanted to do as my eye was always red and dry and so suggested piggy backing as i have read that a few people here have found it useful.
I have only tried it for a few weeks, with a soft monthly lens underneath and my rgp on top, and have to say that i do find it a lot more comfortable

Vision wise i can read the same on the chart, but do find it a little blurry at times as i guess it would be as you are seeing through two lenses. Also it took a little while getting used to a soft lens having never tried one before, but it is really not so difficult putting them in. The slight blurring i sometimes get and having to clean two lenses at night is nothing in comparison to how much more comfortable it is and for the fact that my wearing time is almost doubled!
Some people here have daily ones, but i was told to try monthly as the dailies can sometimes be very drying. At the minute it works for me, but will ask when i next go back! Good luck with it and let us know how you get on!
Also, i use systane as well and find it very useful, and yes buying it online is much cheaper.

Sweet
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Thanks Sweet for the info.
I purchased Systane eye drops and was using them yesterday. They certainly do help. However, the instructions are rather unhelpful.
Can anyone recommend or advise me of the best way to use these eye drops? For example, put them into the eyes before or after the contact is in the eye, put some drops onto the actual lens, etc.
Many thanks,
Jon.
I purchased Systane eye drops and was using them yesterday. They certainly do help. However, the instructions are rather unhelpful.
Can anyone recommend or advise me of the best way to use these eye drops? For example, put them into the eyes before or after the contact is in the eye, put some drops onto the actual lens, etc.
Many thanks,
Jon.
- jayuk
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Whilst I cant advise you, I can give you my example
When i was using my Rose K id wake up, put a drop in the eye, well infact 2 drops, wait about 3-5 mins, then get the lens out and put a drop on that and insert it in my eye.
I found that if I just put the Systane on the lens and straight in Id getting a misty fogging effect....however if I lubricated the eye before it was ok!
I also used to put a drop at lunch time and another at about 4pm....with the lens still in my eye.
Hope that helps!
When i was using my Rose K id wake up, put a drop in the eye, well infact 2 drops, wait about 3-5 mins, then get the lens out and put a drop on that and insert it in my eye.
I found that if I just put the Systane on the lens and straight in Id getting a misty fogging effect....however if I lubricated the eye before it was ok!
I also used to put a drop at lunch time and another at about 4pm....with the lens still in my eye.
Hope that helps!
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- Paul Morgan
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My Systane routine
I - on the other hand would put 2-3 drops in each eye, butter my toast, shout at the kids, lose my car keys, eat my toast, clean the kids teeth, watch the weather forecast, shout at the kids again - and by then 5-10 minutes had passed.
Then I take my leses straight from the overnight (RGP hybrids) solution, pop them in my eyes, spend five minutes fussing with them, curse this thing called KC, probably shout at the kids again, and maybe argue with my wife for a minute, then after a further 5 minutes or so when my eyes had got quite used to the lenses and I'd forgotten about them, remember I'd forgotten to sort out my 'eye' area where I keep all my potions and boxes, tell myself off, sort it all out and eventually go to work.
By about 11.30am, I usually need to add another drop in each eye - not always though, why is that??? That normally sees me through to the end of the day.
I agree with Jay that sometimes Systane can make your eyes/lenses foggy - not sure why, but it usually blinks away pretty quickly!
Hope this helps. the basic message is, put the drops in, leave it 5 minutes or so and then put your lenses in!!
Then I take my leses straight from the overnight (RGP hybrids) solution, pop them in my eyes, spend five minutes fussing with them, curse this thing called KC, probably shout at the kids again, and maybe argue with my wife for a minute, then after a further 5 minutes or so when my eyes had got quite used to the lenses and I'd forgotten about them, remember I'd forgotten to sort out my 'eye' area where I keep all my potions and boxes, tell myself off, sort it all out and eventually go to work.
By about 11.30am, I usually need to add another drop in each eye - not always though, why is that??? That normally sees me through to the end of the day.
I agree with Jay that sometimes Systane can make your eyes/lenses foggy - not sure why, but it usually blinks away pretty quickly!
Hope this helps. the basic message is, put the drops in, leave it 5 minutes or so and then put your lenses in!!

- Susan Mason
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Hello all
Maybe the dryness and needing like Paul said another drop sometimes at around 11.30am although not always, depends on what we have been doing.
Having not been into work for quite some time now I have found that my eyes can be very variable. Whilst at work PC usage I feel dried my eyes out quicker along with concentration on certain documents and also if I was to go into a meeting I would usually find half way through I may well get a problem, especially when those involved could not be bothered with me (presentations in daft colours and fonts etc and hand out in size 10 8 or even 6 font).
From what I remember at the hospital they did once tell me that your blink rate controls your tears and if you concentrate on something a lot your blink rate slows down thus reducing your tears and as for air conditioning well best not to speak about that!
Susan
Maybe the dryness and needing like Paul said another drop sometimes at around 11.30am although not always, depends on what we have been doing.
Having not been into work for quite some time now I have found that my eyes can be very variable. Whilst at work PC usage I feel dried my eyes out quicker along with concentration on certain documents and also if I was to go into a meeting I would usually find half way through I may well get a problem, especially when those involved could not be bothered with me (presentations in daft colours and fonts etc and hand out in size 10 8 or even 6 font).
From what I remember at the hospital they did once tell me that your blink rate controls your tears and if you concentrate on something a lot your blink rate slows down thus reducing your tears and as for air conditioning well best not to speak about that!
Susan
- paula hardman
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I've had problems at work recently because my department's discovered coloured text etc. After a fair bit of campaigning I got them to support the companys clearprint guidelines.
The guidelines are aimed making print accessible to a typical user with no significant visual problems and the recommended font size is at least 10 point and preferably 12, so anything that's 6 or 8 is way too small, even for 'normal' people.
Guideline Summary
Use a minimum of 10 point font
For best practice use 12 point
Text should sit on flat background colours
Contrast dark text against light background or vice versa
Avoid background images behind body text
Avoid italics or decorative fonts
Avoid highly reflective surfaces and finishes
Avoid high gloss papers
The guidelines are aimed making print accessible to a typical user with no significant visual problems and the recommended font size is at least 10 point and preferably 12, so anything that's 6 or 8 is way too small, even for 'normal' people.
Guideline Summary
Use a minimum of 10 point font
For best practice use 12 point
Text should sit on flat background colours
Contrast dark text against light background or vice versa
Avoid background images behind body text
Avoid italics or decorative fonts
Avoid highly reflective surfaces and finishes
Avoid high gloss papers
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