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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby gr1ffiths » Mon 31 Oct 2011 5:37 pm

itansey wrote:Hi,

I just wanted to let everyone know that BUPA finally agreed to pay for my CXL procedure after a lot correspondence..great news. :D

Thanks,

Ian


Wow.. That's good news!!! Congratulations!!

Sounds promising for others, I have BUPA insurance which I use to see my Optomestrist (when BUPA pre authorise treatment, They're always finding ways out of it).

I have often discussed CXL with him but was always put off by costs... I think I might ask him to suggest a consultant to speak to regarding CXL (if eligible) and look into the BUPA route!!

If BUPA have authorised and paid for one case does that mean they cannot refuse to authorise future claims??

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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby longhoc » Mon 31 Oct 2011 8:48 pm

Alas no... :-(

There's considerable variation between how policies are designed even from the same private medical insurance provider.

I can help on this subject -- let me know if your specialist is suggesting that Crosslinking is indicated for you and you are seriously considering the procedure. I'll then need to review your policy document in full to see if there's any chance of it providing that benefit. There's absolutely no guarantees that you won't have to stump up for it out your own pocket but depending on your circumstances and your policy's T's and C's it isn't nesissarily a lost cause !

Best wishes

Chris

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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby gr1ffiths » Mon 31 Oct 2011 9:07 pm

longhoc wrote:Alas no... :-(

There's considerable variation between how policies are designed even from the same private medical insurance provider.

I can help on this subject -- let me know if your specialist is suggesting that Crosslinking is indicated for you and you are seriously considering the procedure. I'll then need to review your policy document in full to see if there's any chance of it providing that benefit. There's absolutely no guarantees that you won't have to stump up for it out your own pocket but depending on your circumstances and your policy's T's and C's it isn't nesissarily a lost cause !

Best wishes

Chris


Many Thanks Chris.

I will speak to my Optometrist regarding a referal to a consultant. :)

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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby itansey » Mon 31 Oct 2011 9:20 pm

You would need to allow about 4 or 5 months for correspondence with BUPA before you get approval but as Chris says, it all depends on the T&Cs but don't give up.....

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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby sushila » Thu 15 Dec 2011 4:44 pm

Brilliant news! Glad to hear that BUPA finally coughed up money.I am going to pursuit this further since I also have a Bupa policy.

Thanks everyone.
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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby rush_fan » Mon 26 Dec 2011 9:02 pm

Thought I would add my experience here. First a thank you to all those who have posted as I reckon this assisted with my quick Bupa authorisation. I saw a consultant on a Thursday who recommended CXL so I called Bupa on the Friday. I was put on hold and after a short while given the expected not authorised response. I put forward my argument mainly of the points already posted on the forum and the call was automatically raised as a complaint and I was given a nurses number to give to my consultant to call. I provided this number to the hospital via telephone and subsequent email. On the following Tuesday evening, I formalised my complaint in e-mail to Bupa. On Thursday, my consultant seemed to pick up my email to deal with and called myself to discuss, then phoned Bupa and quickly, and I think surprisingly, returned with an authorisation code. So, essentially just less than a week for the claim to be fully authorised. I am apprehensive about the treatment, eyes are so precious, and just hope that it is the correct thing to do, but thought that this experience may be interesting to others. Certainly in my experience, all credit to Bupa for their speed and professionalism in handling my case.

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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby Dianer » Thu 29 Dec 2011 12:58 pm

Hi Emma
That was good to read and hear about how you challenged the insurers. We are in the middle of doing that ourselves and your letter is certainly helpful. My son has just had clinking done in one eye and we are hopeful that the insurers will reconsider.
I will keep updating on progress!
Diane

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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby sushila » Mon 16 Jan 2012 12:27 pm

Hi ,
Below is a refusal by BUPA to pay for my sons treatment .Can anyone please advise me as to what I should do next.
Kind regards,
Sushila
_0- 12 January 20g -- -- ---
Dear Mrs M.
We recently spoke on the phone about our denial of benefit for Master DM's collagen
cross linking for keratoconus.
The reason we are unable to cover this treatment is because the National Institute for Health and
Clinical Excellence guidelines state that based on current evidence, its safety and efficacy is
inadequate in both quantity and quality. Your consultant is welcome to speak to us about this matter.
I do hope this information has been of some help to you. If there is anything further that we can
assist you with, please contact one of our Member Services Advisers on the above local rate helpline
number.
Yours sincerely .~ Jennifer Horgan
Member Service Adviser

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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby longhoc » Mon 16 Jan 2012 1:41 pm

Hi Sushila

Many thanks for letting us know what the insurer said for your son's treatment.

The NICE comments used as justification for declining your claim are a bit of a mis-step by your insurer -- NICE guidance should not be used by insurers in claims handling (their decisions are their own, and NICE does not have any official role in the insurance policy decisions process). This is especially true of crosslinking where NICE hasn't made any judgement on the safety and effectiveness of crosslinking, it is asking for more data when the procedure is performed on the NHS. In other words, if consultants perform crosslinking on the NHS, the must submit the results to a clinical trial to enable NICE to make a more informed decision on the procedure. So NICE's statement confers absolutely nothing about the procedure's status as "experimental" or being "unproven". It merely asks for more data when it is done on the NHS.

While it looks like a straight decline from the insurer, it is actually a lot more constructive than some of the previous responses I've seen from insurance providers in the recent past. This is because they have offered to enter into a dialogue with the consultant. While they don't spell it out, I read into this that they are willing to accept new information on the current clinical practice in the treatment of Keratoconus and are amenable to being convinced that crosslinking might now be best practice for an initial treatment.

Are you able to contact your son's consultant and ask him if he would be willing to discuss the matter with BUPA ? If he is, then that would be very helpful to your case. If you speak to him or his office, there's two key points that it would be useful for him to be able to comment on:

1) That he would perform the crosslinking treatment "with curative intent" (the form of words is very important -- it has a specific meaning in the insurance contract you have with BUPA so it's a good idea to note down this phrase and quote it exactly). It means that when he does the crosslinking, it is his professional opinion that it stands a good chance of actually fixing the problem for good -- or for a reasonably long period of time, say 10 years+

and

2) That he considers that crosslinking is now "customary and expected" (again, the form of words needs to be exactly as I've written). This invites the consultant to opine that he would perform crosslinking for any and all patients in your son's position and that his clinical decisioning is supported by what he would consider an acceptable level of evidence.

The consultant might not be happy to speak to the insurer on the phone, which is open to all sorts of misinterpretations. If he is okay to put in writing something which confirms points 1) and 2) above, then you can simply send that back to your insurer and ask them to reconsider based on the information you've sent them.

Does what I've put above give you enough confidence to go to the consultant and ask him if he is willing to provide a statement to that effect ?

Do let me know if anything not clear !

Best wishes,

Chris

(PS, I've deleted a small amount of your original post just to protect your anonymity, hope that's okay)

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Re: CXL paid for WPA medical insurance

Postby sushila » Mon 16 Jan 2012 2:32 pm

Thanks Chris for your prompt response. I am happy to go back to my sons consultant .
Regards,
Sushila


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